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44 minutes ago, Beltaine fox said:

, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a society that has suffered from emigration

If Scotland suffered from emigration, Scotland should have done more to keep people there.  Immigration stateside was the cure for those who had only a life of misery to look forward to there.  The fact that you see emigration from the old world as akin to west African slavery is racist.  But your insistence that emigration is some kind of crime or theft to the home country is just bizarre.  It reminds me of the old communist doctrines against allowing people to flee west.  You and your weird poets seem to wish all the old peasants were back in their place.  Instead of coming over here, mixing with other peasants and then attacking you on line.  I prefer the make-believe Scotland we create over here at the highland games.  Fewer drunks trying to brain you or failed leftists prattling on at you.

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Such a perfect example of how fraudulent and fake the "resistance" media is at heart

You fucking idiot.  The idea of the resistance is that people with DIFFERENT VIEWS ON OTHER MATTERS will COME TOGETHER TO DESTROY TRUMP.  That's it.  That's the resistance.  You somehow got the idea that a resistance has to be based on leftist ideology which you approve of.  It's a resistance TO DONALD TRUMP. Not to neocon policies or gun control or anything else.  We're not going to agree on all that stuff.  In the mean time, YOU are determined to defend Trump against any accusations of collusion or election fraud.  And you've flat-out admitted you would have voted for him over HC.  Which makes your voice in this meaningless.

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36 minutes ago, Beltaine fox said:

You've foisted this shit on us before. 

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And so today talk of “open borders” has entered mainstream liberal discourse, where once it was confined to radical free market think tanks and libertarian anarchist circles.

Nobody here is arguing for open borders.  So, like the author, you are throwing shit on a straw man.

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1 hour ago, USS Stark said:

Elliott Abrams is one of the most disgraceful human beings my country has ever produced.

I'm hopeful a special envoy cannot actually conduct a ground war.  So we are much more likely to see the kind of War-on-Terror measures implemented against Venezuela that do not require any large scale troop movements and complex logistical planning.  Drone strikes, assassinations, rendition, black propaganda, etc. Indeed we're already seeing these things.  If they don't work, I would not expect Trump's nonfunctional administration to be able to coordinate the escalation.  It's simply beyond his capacity, and unlike GW he's not going to get anyone to stick their necks out for him. He's an animal in a cage. 

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This vid has been put up by some British-Israelite nutjob, hence the stupid title, so ignore it, but the clip is from a BBC program on the Redlegs of Barbados who arrived there as slaves, it interviews some of their descendents still living there

 

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Boy you sure are hell-bent on claiming that the Scots were like African slaves.  Indentured servitude of white colonists was widespread during the early colonization period.  It did little or nothing to impair the rights of descendants.  They were not condemned to centuries of oppression in the US or multi-generational slavery.  And by the late 18th they were an integral part of the country. 

Just stop. 

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If Scotland suffered from emigration, Scotland should have done more to keep people there.

You realise there was no independent govt, and the British govt regarded many Scots as of questionable loyalty, so what better than shift them out of where they might be a problem to where they might be an asset. They did the same thing with borderers and the Ulster plantation, creating the Scots-Irish. The clan chiefs were educated in England and came to see themselves as landlords who didn't merely hold the commonwealth of the clan in their name but owned the land and could do what they liked with it, they found they could make more from sheep than tenant farmers and so their clansfolk were forced out their homes and sent to the America's. This outwards migration, with different methods over time, often promoted by the govt, continued in waves for around 250 years, right up into the post war era. Scotland historically had a third of the population of England, today it's 9%. Stopping it ever happening again is one of the reasons I want independence.
 

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There was a government.  There were lords.  They failed.  Tough titties for them.  They lost my people and many, many others because they were worthless assholes. 

5 minutes ago, Beltaine fox said:

Stopping it ever happening again is one of the reasons I want independence.

And how would this be done?  By making the government work for the people better and by giving them the opportunities needed to remain there.  Either that or bringing in others from outside.  If that doesn't happen, the powers in charge of Scotland have nobody to blame but themselves for being depopulated.  Certainly the answer is not to hand-wring about how the Scottish people of old were indentured three centuries ago.

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Boy you sure are hell-bent on claiming that the Scots were like African slaves.

The original Redlegs were slaves, unlike black slaves their children weren't. Redlegs don't represent Scots in Scotland nor all Scottish emigrants, but they did exist and their descendents still do. It's an important thing to remember because it shows racism didn't create black slavery, capitalist exploitation created slavery and once they found a visibly identifiable people to enslave slavery created racism.

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There was a government.  There were lords.  They failed.  Tough titties for them.

 

They didn't fail, they succeeded in what they were trying to do.

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If all these Scots remained in Scotland they might fight British rule or impede it's wealth, but shift them over to America and they might fight to help British rule and increase it's profits.

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Interestingly, when Scotsman Captain Ronald Campbell arrived in Sydney in 1833 in charge of convicts and a detachment of the 4th Infantry on the convict ship ‘John’, he soon decommissioned, got paid and he and his mate set off South of Sydney looking for land that reminded them of the Highlands back home, hot though it was and those fucking flies.

Just out of Bombala they spied rolling mountains covered in thick forest and they soon secured 20,000 acres in the 'middle of nowhere', establishing Bombalo Station or as the whole region was to be later renamed in honour of the pioneering Campbells: Cambalong.

Their homestead was a mini-city in the wildes as there were no corner shops (let alone corners, or roads). They proceeded like navvies to clear every one of those trees until the rolling, gentle mountains reminded them of home. Thus establishing one of the biggest sheep stations in existence at that time.

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Cambalong homestead: like Camelot but more primitive, uber-Australiana, and without those damn dancing girls

Their homestead was (is) a magnificent home, with a large U-shaped courtyard area behind the main facade containing massive stables, worksheds and conjoined servants' quarters.

Marvellous people the Campbells, true pioneers made good. Feisty AF even to this day. Pity about the denuding of all of those acres but some has grown back.

Marvellous trout fishing in the Delegate River that runs through one of their separated properties known as Barcaldine. And if Platypus flippers are on the menu, it's not too hard to get one of those critters tangled in a light dry fly line while chasing big browns. Damn things.

https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-lifestyle-nsw-bombala-7582855

https://www.bombalatimes.com.au/story/1827464/cambalong-homestead-for-sale/
 

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The name Campbell in Gaelic means "twisted/crooked mouth" just as "Cameron" means "crooked nose". In Scotland, after the reformation, the Campbells became a powerful loyalist Protestant clan infamous for conducting the Glencoe massacre and fighting on the Govt side at Culloden. My great grandmother was a MacLean from Mull, she was driven off the Island by her Campbell overlords.

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It is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that once again, we are at war.  And 'taint arf hard to see why.

But TBF, the Campbell's made a pretty decent soup if memory serves me correctly. Maclean's made a pretty decent toothpaste BITD too, before the competing Colgate clan bumped them.

However, the Campbell women, on the whole, were top hole. The finest of beasts with beautifully formed fetlocks.


<with apologies to Bobby Menzies and his crew: https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/prime_ministers/menzies>

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1 hour ago, Beltaine fox said:

but shift them over to America and they might fight to help British rule and increase it's profits.

You do remember what happened in 1776, right?

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The big complaint is that we're not being fair to Trump, because the US has done the same thing to other countries?  Fucking hell.  I don't want to be fair to the daughter fucker.  I want his flesh to rot off while we throw alcohol on it. 

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Making Globalism Great Again

Maybe Donald Trump isn’t as stupid as I thought. I’d hate to have to admit that publicly, but it does kind of seem like he has put one over on the liberal corporate media this time. Scanning the recent Trump-related news, I couldn’t help but notice a significant decline in the number of references to Weimar, Germany, Adolf Hitler, and “the brink of fascism” that America has supposedly been teetering on since Hillary Clinton lost the election. I googled around pretty well, I think, but I couldn’t find a single editorial warning that Trump is about to summarily cancel the U.S. Constitution, dissolve Congress, and proclaim himself Führer. Nor did I see any mention of Auschwitz, or any other Nazi stuff … which is weird, considering that the Hitler hysteria has been a standard feature of the official narrative we’ve been subjected to for the last two years.

So how did Trump finally get the liberal corporate media to stop calling him a fascist? He did that by acting like a fascist (i.e., like a “normal” president). Which is to say he did the bidding of the deep state goons and corporate mandarins that manage the global capitalist empire … the smiley, happy, democracy-spreading, post-fascist version of fascism we live under.

I’m referring, of course, to Venezuela, which is one of a handful of uncooperative countries that are not playing ball with global capitalism and which haven’t been “regime changed” yet. Trump green-lit the attempted coup purportedly being staged by the Venezuelan “opposition,” but which is obviously a U.S. operation, or, rather, a global capitalist operation. As soon as he did, the corporate media immediately suspended calling him a fascist, and comparing him to Adolf Hitler, and so on, and started spewing out blatant propaganda supporting his effort to overthrow the elected government of a sovereign country.

Overthrowing the governments of sovereign countries, destroying their economies, stealing their gold, and otherwise bringing them into the fold of the global capitalist “international community” is not exactly what most folks thought Trump meant by “Make America Great Again.” Many Americans have never been to Venezuela, or Syria, or anywhere else the global capitalist empire has been ruthlessly restructuring since shortly after the end of the Cold War. They have not been lying awake at night worrying about Venezuelan democracy, or Syrian democracy, or Ukrainian democracy.

This is not because Americans are a heartless people, or an ignorant or a selfish people. It is because, well, it is because they are Americans (or, rather, because they believe they are Americans), and thus are more interested in the problems of Americans than in the problems of people in faraway lands that have nothing whatsoever to do with America. Despite what the corporate media will tell you, Americans elected Donald Trump, a preposterous, self-aggrandizing ass clown, not because they were latent Nazis, or because they were brainwashed by Russian hackers, but, primarily, because they wanted to believe that he sincerely cared about America, and was going to try to “make it great again” (whatever that was supposed to mean, exactly).

Unfortunately, there is no America. There is nothing to make great again. “America” is a fiction, a fantasy, a nostalgia that hucksters like Donald Trump (and other, marginally less buffoonish hucksters) use to sell whatever they are selling … themselves, wars, cars, whatever. What there is, in reality, instead of America, is a supranational global capitalist empire, a decentralized, interdependent network of global corporations, financial institutions, national governments, intelligence agencies, supranational governmental entities, military forces, media, and so on. If that sounds far-fetched or conspiratorial, look at what is going on in Venezuela.

The entire global capitalist empire is working in concert to force the elected president of the country out of office. The US, the UK, Canada, France, Germany, Spain, Austria, Denmark, Poland, the Netherlands, Israel, Brazil, Peru, Chile, and Argentina have officially recognized Juan Guaido as the legitimate president of Venezuela, in spite of the fact that no one elected him. Only the empire’s official evil enemies (i.e., Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Cuba, and other uncooperative countries) are objecting to this “democratic” coup. The global financial system (i.e., banks) has frozen (i.e., stolen) Venezuela’s assets, and is attempting to transfer them to Guaido so he can buy the Venezuelan military. The corporate media are hammering out the official narrative like a Goebbelsian piano in an effort to convince the general public that all this has something to do with democracy. You would have to be a total moron or hopelessly brainwashed not to recognize what is happening.

What is happening has nothing to do with America … the “America” that Americans believe they live in and that many of them want to “make great again.” What is happening is exactly what has been happening around the world since the end of the Cold War, albeit most dramatically in the Middle East. The de facto global capitalist empire is restructuring the planet with virtual impunity. It is methodically eliminating any and all impediments to the hegemony of global capitalism, and the privatization and commodification of everything.

Venezuela is one of these impediments. Overthrowing its government has nothing to do with America, or the lives of actual Americans. “America” is not to going conquer Venezuela and plant an American flag on its soil. “America” is not going to steal its oil, ship it “home,” and parcel it out to “Americans” in their pickups in the parking lot of Walmart.

What what about those American oil corporations? They want that Venezuelan oil, don’t they? Well, sure they do, but here’s the thing … there are no “American” oil corporations. Corporations, especially multi-billion dollar transnational corporations (e.g., Chevron, ExxonMobil, et al.) have no nationalities, nor any real allegiances, other than to their major shareholders. Chevron, for example, whose major shareholders are asset management and mutual fund companies like Black Rock, The Vanguard Group, SSgA Funds Management, Geode Capital Management, Wellington Management, and other transnational, multi-trillion dollar outfits. Do you really believe that being nominally headquartered in Boston or New York makes these companies “American,” or that Deutsche Bank is a “German” bank, or that BP is a “British” company?

And Venezuela is just the most recent blatant example of the empire in action. Ask yourself, honestly, what have the “American” regime change ops throughout the Greater Middle East done for any actual Americans, other than get a lot of them killed? Oh, and how about those bailouts for all those transnational “American” investment banks? Or the billions “America” provides to Israel? Someone please explain how enriching the shareholders of transnational corporations like Raytheon, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin by selling billions in weapons to Saudi Arabian Islamists is benefiting “the American people.” How much of that Saudi money are you seeing? And, wait, I’ve got another one for you. Call up your friendly 401K manager, ask how your Pfizer shares are doing, then compare that to what you’re paying some “American” insurance corporation to not really cover you.

For the last two-hundred years or so, we have been conditioned to think of ourselves as the citizens of a collection of sovereign nation states, as “Americans,” “Germans,” “Greeks,” and so on. There are no more sovereign nation states. Global capitalism has done away with them. Which is why we are experiencing a “neo-nationalist” backlash. Trump, Brexit, the so-called “new populism” … these are the death throes of national sovereignty, like the thrashing of a suffocating fish before you whack it and drop it in the cooler. The battle is over, but the fish doesn’t know that. It didn’t even realize there was a battle until it suddenly got jerked up out of the water.

In any event, here we are, at the advent of the global capitalist empire. We are not going back to the 19th Century, nor even to the early 20th Century. Neither Donald Trump nor anyone else is going to “Make America Great Again.” Global capitalism will continue to remake the world into one gigantic marketplace where we work ourselves to death at bullshit jobs in order to buy things we don’t need, accumulating debts we can never pay back, the interest on which will further enrich the global capitalist ruling classes, who, as you may have noticed, are preparing for the future by purchasing luxury underground bunkers and post-apocalyptic compounds in New Zealand. That, and militarizing the police, who they will need to maintain “public order” … you know, like they are doing in France at the moment, by beating, blinding, and hideously maiming those Gilets Jaunes (i.e., Yellow Vest) protesters that the corporate media are doing their best to demonize and/or render invisible.

Or, who knows, Americans (and other Western consumers) might take a page from those Yellow Vests, set aside their political differences (or at least ignore their hatred of each other long enough to actually try to achieve something), and focus their anger at the politicians and corporations that actually run the empire, as opposed to, you know, illegal immigrants and imaginary legions of Nazis and Russians. In the immortal words of General Buck Turgidson, “I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed,” but, heck, it might be worth a try, especially since, the way things are going, we are probably going end up out there anyway.

 

https://consentfactory.org/2019/02/11/making-globalism-great-again/

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2 hours ago, Cosmoline said:

The US doesn't exist?  Maybe I'm still in Scotland after all. 

We are all Scotland.

Je suis Écosse

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3 hours ago, Beltaine fox said:

 

 

Is it possible you see Trump as a kind of working class hero, standing up to these deep state multinationals (like AT&T and ITT LOL)? 

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Is it possible you see Trump as a kind of working class hero, standing up to these deep state multinationals (like AT&T and ITT LOL)? 

No, because I'm not obsessed with the con man, like he matters, like you are. Which, incidently, doesn't make you any less of a fool than those who voted for him in the belief he'll make America "great again".
 

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